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What 3.5% GDP growth means

What can we learn from this morning's surprisingly strong 3.5% real GDP growth report?

1) Goldman Sachs does not know all. The bank's economists had been on eerie run of sending out prescient alerts the day before major data releases—mainly the monthly employment numbers—that described in detail how the consensus was going to be wrong and what the report was really going to say. Well, last night I got the e-mail from the nation's "Most Accurate Economist," Goldman's Jan Hatzius, predicting that GDP growth would be a below-consensus 2.7%. Oh well.

2) Expect a pullback later. Hatzius had predicted that GDP would be lower than expected in the third quarter because companies had cut back their inventories more than most people expected—which was good news for the fourth quarter, when inventories would presumably fall less or even rise. Instead, inventories fell by less than expected. Meaning that we now probably can't expect a big inventory boost in the fourth quarter. Also, the cash for clunkers program contributed in a big way to the quarter's growth—GDP growth excluding motor vehicle production was just 1.8%—and it won't in the fourth quarter or next year. Gee. No, GDP.

3) We're probably out of the recession, but it's still impossible to tell if we're in much of a recovery. This is partly because of a litany of cautionary notes that need to be sounded every time a GDP number, especially an "advance estimate" like today's, comes out. Some economic releases—like the weekly jobless claims number released today—are raw data. Many others involve some extrapolation from a survey sample, but are still effectively data releases. GDP, by contrast, is an estimate, put together by perhaps the most understaffed of government statistical agencies, the Commerce Department's Bureau of Economic Analysis, with data from a plethora of sources and a bunch of guesswork. It will be revised in a month, revised again a month after that, then revised again a couple years down the road. The final number could end up pretty much anywhere between 1% and 6% (or even beyond: the initial GDP growth estimate for the first quarter of 2000 was 5.4%; it has since been revised all the way down to 1.1%). And even that final number will involve estimates and assumptions (especially those involving the inflation rate) that some might take issue with. Beyond all that, there are the usual questions about whether high unemployment, continuing financial troubles or other factors might drag the economy back down in the coming months.

4) +3.5% is better than -6.4%. After all those cautionary notes, it seems only right to point out that even this doubtful recovery is a lot better than the freefall we were experiencing at the beginning of the year—and it's a lot better than just about anybody was forecasting 9 months ago.

5) It's the jobs numbers that matter. You can't eat GDP, or pay your mortgage with it. And of course there are all the measurement problems outlined above, plus questions about whether GDP really measures the right things anyway. So the economic indicator that matters most these days is probably the monthly payroll employment number (October's is due out a week from Friday). If that stops falling, then maybe we can start celebrating a little.

 

 

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  • 1

    Good post, but no need to quote Megan McArdle. Couldn't resist reading it to see if she's gotten honest. She does make some good points, but then she blows it again with a couple lies like quoting that debunked life expectancy study by Ohsfeldt & Schneider.

    You can do better! ;)

    • 1.1

      Actually, quoting McArdle is almost unforgiveable. Not only is she routinely disingenuous, she is unable to trace a simple line of mathematical reasoning from A to B to C.

      And, of course, she is NEVER wrong, even when she is caught blatantly lying.

      I bought and read Mr. Fox's book. He can indeed do better.

    • 1.2

      One other thing, regarding Mr. Fox's tendency to buy into bogus 3rd party data. A few days ago he weighed in on Myhrvold's absurd solar energy claims in SuperFreakonomics, lending them credibility. I recommend he go read the detailed, but simple, take down on "RealClimate":

      http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/an-open-letter-to-steve-levitt/

      This "full faith and credit" to colleagues who are full of it really makes him less than he should be.

  • 2

    According to PBS if the stimulas moneys are remove the GDP change is 0%. Definately not out of the woods. It would be nice if stimulus went to tax relief for (non-govt.) business who could then hire people.

    • 2.1

      The peobability that tax relief would cause them to hire people is low. That is a VERY inefficient way to create work.

  • 3

    I decided to break down the numbers.

    I think they will surprise you

    You can view them by clicking on the following link

    http://keepamericaatwork.com/?p=4550

    Regards,

    Virgil
    http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com

  • 4

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  • 5

    [...] to most people, the big numbers are meaningless. As my colleague Justin Fox writes in the Curious Capitalist, "You can't eat GDP, or pay your mortgage with [...]

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    [...] Other takes on today’s numbers were provided by WSJ Real Time, Calculated Risk, Jon Hilsenrath, Economix, and Justin Fox, [...]

  • 7

    [...] recovery, Micawber Last week I greeted a couple pieces of good economic news, the reports that GDP grew 3.5% in the third quarter and house prices rose 1.2% in August, with a shrug and worries that things might be about to take a [...]

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