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]]> By: Terrapinion http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/comment-page-1/#comment-10310 Terrapinion Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:31:06 +0000 http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/#comment-10310 Justin Fox - You wrote: "I sort of doubt that many investors ever asked those "uncomfortable questions."" That is quite an assumption that you are making. It is almost as if you have never fielded a call from a bond trader. Caveat emptor is a wonderful personal virtue but when it is used to excuse the 'seller' of any wrongdoing then it becomes a mechanism for abuse. Where is that $19.5B coming from? Did they receive guarantees from the government this time or is the mortgage industry the only foul-weather socialist? Justin Fox - You wrote: "I sort of doubt that many investors ever asked those "uncomfortable questions.""

That is quite an assumption that you are making. It is almost as if you have never fielded a call from a bond trader. Caveat emptor is a wonderful personal virtue but when it is used to excuse the 'seller' of any wrongdoing then it becomes a mechanism for abuse.

Where is that $19.5B coming from? Did they receive guarantees from the government this time or is the mortgage industry the only foul-weather socialist?

]]> By: Justin Fox http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/comment-page-1/#comment-10309 Justin Fox Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:36:01 +0000 http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/#comment-10309 I sort of doubt that many investors ever asked those "uncomfortable questions." I sort of doubt that many investors ever asked those "uncomfortable questions."

]]> By: Curmudgeon http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/comment-page-1/#comment-10308 Curmudgeon Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:31:08 +0000 http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/#comment-10308 Regarding Felix' objection: So stockbrokers lied when investors asked uncomfortable questions about the nature of the investment, and it's, um, the investors' fault? Perhaps we really can use that Financial Product Safety Commission you were touting a few months ago. Regarding Felix' objection: So stockbrokers lied when investors asked uncomfortable questions about the nature of the investment, and it's, um, the investors' fault? Perhaps we really can use that Financial Product Safety Commission you were touting a few months ago.

]]> By: R from R http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/comment-page-1/#comment-10307 R from R Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:11 +0000 http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2008/08/07/citigroup_pays_big_for_shoving/#comment-10307 Of course, taking responsibility these days is a relative term. I'm sure those responsible won't risk so much as missing a country club payment, let alone foreclosure. Ultimately, it's the shareholders who pay, and perhaps that's as it should be. If this latest round of risk gone wild doesn't inspire a new era of shareholder activism, expect this pattern to be repeated again and again. With that activism, shareholders need to learn to look past quarterly results -- in part, that kind of short-term focus encourages risk-taking behavior. Of course, taking responsibility these days is a relative term. I'm sure those responsible won't risk so much as missing a country club payment, let alone foreclosure. Ultimately, it's the shareholders who pay, and perhaps that's as it should be. If this latest round of risk gone wild doesn't inspire a new era of shareholder activism, expect this pattern to be repeated again and again. With that activism, shareholders need to learn to look past quarterly results -- in part, that kind of short-term focus encourages risk-taking behavior.

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